Consensus Toronto 2025 Coverage, CT2025, News The creator of ElizaOS, a speaker on the AI Summit at Consensus 2025, appears to be like ahead to a world the place no person is working and everyone is investing. Jeff Wilser meets him. 

Someday you’ll be out of a job. So will I, so will your neighbor, so will your finest good friend, and so will all your household. All of our jobs shall be automated, due to AI. This is the prediction of Shaw Walters (who in Web3 model usually simply goes by “Shaw”), founding father of Eliza Labs, and creator of ElizaOS.

“We’re going to automate all of the jobs. Like, all of the jobs are going to be automated,” says Shaw. “There aren’t going to be any jobs. And there shouldn’t be, because any work that I can get a robot to do is beneath me. And I think we will look back on this time like we look back on slavery. Like, ‘What the fuck were we doing?’”

Onstage on the AI Summit at Consensus 2025, Shaw will unpack this principle in a keynote titled, “How AI Agents and Humanoid Robots will Reshape Society…and Why Crypto is the Key.” Here he offers a fast sneak peek.

Interview has been condensed and calmly edited for readability.

What excites you probably the most about AI Agents?

Personally, this can be a type of egocentric quest. I do not like sitting at my desk all day with my shoulders rounding, changing into this troll who’s coding all day.

What I need to do is to tempo round and inform my brokers to do issues and code for me. Coding has gotten to the purpose the place I’ve one other window up, and I’m simply coding with Gemini in Cursor. I simply begin talking and saying, “Hey, this is what I want. I want you to change this, this, and this,” and it simply begins going.

And why can’t that simply be embodied? Why cannot I simply be strolling down the road speaking to my agent and it is writing my code for me? Why do I’ve to be sitting right here glued to this desk? So I actually need to unbox the person interface personally for myself, and have my agent with me all over the place I’m going. I can simply name it if I’ve an concept. It solutions my e-mail.

What do you assume would be the first killer use case of brokers that basically goes mainstream?

Well, positively coding. It’s already the primary case.

Fair. But what about for normies, for non-coders?

Well for us [at Eliza], it’s social brokers. And then I run a distant crew and DAO neighborhood, proper? We have 20 those who come to work daily and develop code. I’ve a gaggle chat proper now of eight individuals. And we’ve got 20 channels on Discord and we’ve got a Telegram. So we’ve got all this communication taking place in all these locations, and we’ve got these very apparent issues everybody else has. I do not know what is going on on in many of the chats. I haven’t got time to learn most of it.

I’d love if it was simply summarized for me. They needs to be like, “Hey, what has this guy been working on right now?” And it is like, “Oh, he worked on this. He answered this.” Great. So we’ve got a bot that is doing simply that factor. It checks in with each single worker daily and will get a [status update] from them. And it is monitoring each single chat and all of our digital areas and summarizes every part.

Why, in your thoughts, is crypto essential to this bigger imaginative and prescient of yours of AI Agents? Why is Web3 obligatory?

I believe it is very apparent that it is laborious for me to present an agent a PayPal account. But I can simply spin up a pockets for this agent and that agent. I may construct a recreation the place I’m like, “I need 10,000 wallets.” Because what I’m actually doing is giving an agent the flexibility to show that it’s itself with a cryptographic signing instrument, identical to I’m giving another person. So brokers are simply proxies for different customers they usually get the identical advantages that another person does.

But I believe that there is a greater query right here of like why crypto in any respect? And I believe the reason being as a result of I believe that we should always have the ability to create our personal cash. It’s not an influence that we should always essentially give to states, though states have the flexibility to implement it with power. So there is a greater query of, what’s the battle we’re combating right here?

This is one thing that I’ll be sharing in my Consensus discuss. We’re going to automate all the jobs. Like, all the jobs are going to be automated. There aren’t going to be any jobs. And there shouldn’t be, as a result of any work that I can get a robotic to do is beneath me. And I believe we’ll look again on this time like we glance again on slavery. Like, “What the fuck had been we doing?”

We had been making everyone work for {dollars} with all of their time. That’s loopy to me. They ought to have been pursuing their passions. They ought to have been asking, “Why are we here and what are we doing?” They ought to have been forming their very own foundation of spirituality as an alternative of simply going to work daily. And so, in that actuality, nicely, there is a massive downside.

I can assume of some…

If there’s no jobs, then we’ve got no cash. But truly not one of the wealthy individuals in our nation have jobs. How do they generate income? They’re investing. And I believe that is the world we’ve got to stay in, the place we’re all buyers, and no person’s a employee. It’s simply insane to me that we stay in a world the place all of the wealthy individuals do not work, and but we predict that is the way in which to getting wealthy.

I’m attempting to visualise this. It’s wild to think about a world the place nobody has jobs, and all of the work is beneath us.

It’s inevitable.

Are we writing poetry all day? How are we filling our time? What does humanity appear to be?

Okay, so to illustrate you by some means obtained an airdrop that you simply put right into a mission, and now you will have one thing like $80 million value of worth. What would you do? What’s your subsequent transfer?

I see the place you’re going with this. So the thought is that you consider what your passions are, and the way you’d spend your time if you happen to had limitless cash? And then that’s what you’d be doing on this world the place all the roles are automated.

Yeah. I’d be at my laptop engaged on AGI. I’d be engaged on that every one day.

Let’s go there now. What’s your guess of once we get to AGI, or if we get to AGI?

What is AGI?

[Both laugh.]

So, does AGI to you indicate sentience?

Well, my favourite coined time period was that AGI is the factor that computer systems cannot do but. How about that?

It’s a little bit of Zeno’s Paradox, proper? It will perpetually be outdoors of its grasp.

Yes, we’ve got normalized the truth that, like, I can discuss to ChatGPT on voice in my telephone and get instantaneous solutions to nearly something. Like, we’re sitting right here having ChatGPT do tarot readings, and provides us solutions to how “Magic: the Gathering” works.

Wild instances! Thanks Shaw, this was enjoyable. See you in Toronto. Can’t wait in your discuss.

Jeff Wilser will host the AI Summit at Consensus 2025, and is host of The People’s AI: The Decentralized AI Podcast.

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